Comments on: Madinah Masjid Nabawi Imam in South Africa (Dates)

By: Abdoeragmaan

Abdoeragmaan — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:10:24 +0000

lets do this over email.
reply to this were the site blown to prevent bidah or to build new hotels. & by the way the gouvenment decides on the imams & who is the government the wahabis. do you know who Hajjaj was & he lead salah there. I dont think he was holy enough to be chosen maybe you do.

In your email to me make sure you have a list for all they points you need proof on.

By: Fam15

Fam15 — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:45:02 +0000

To Naem:

I know very well Saudi Imams are not ‘divine’ or infallible, as u i’m sure did see in one of my comments i did say.

To Abdoeragman:
One thing before i leave from this site is that if the Saudi GOVERNMENT is responsible for something as Abdoerahman said: (blew up the masjied & the grave of one of the descendants of rasulullah SWA I think a year back) blame the government not the honourable imams.
and did u notice how many times you use the term ‘i think’ ??
Where’s your proof for this??
And the saudi goverment are destroying many historic places to STOP people from bid’ah (innovations).

Thanks to all.
I decided to END this discussion, because i don’t want to be the cause of anybody’s silly, incorrect statements!
if Abdoeragman replies now I will not!
ONLY and IF there is an extreme necessity.

Salam to you Abdoeragman!

By: Fam15

Fam15 — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:27:21 +0000

This will deffinately carry on for ages, whether its via e-mail or not!
You say u know what type of a person i am? i can very well also see what type of a person you are.
I am sooo happy you prefer salih peck’s recitation over His Eminence Shaykh Salah Budair’s.
That’s absoloutely YOUR choice!
And by the way i did hear salih peck, but obviously without a second thought i would prefer His Eminence Shaykh Salah Budair’s recitation.
And lastly, u wanted proof go back and see whether YOU gave ANY proof, and u said you don’t disrespect the imams, but anybody reading these comments will most obviously think so!
Two people with a total different thinking will NEVER agree!

this is like trying to speak to a hard concreted wall.

By: Abdoeragmaan

Abdoeragmaan — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:52:29 +0000

I agree. lets do this via email. for the record I dont disrespect the Imams of the Harams nor do I disrepect any of the Imams of Ijtihad. Just need to mention also that hajjaj bin Yusuf also lead salah.

By: naeem.co.za

naeem.co.za — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:11:46 +0000

guys, enough already – this is dragging along with neither one of you going to achieve anything beneficial. should you wish to debate this, let your next comment be permission for me to email (and CC) both of you and you can battle it out privately.

For the record:
Saudi Imams are not ‘divine’ or infallible. They are human like you and I. The one who had divine messages passed away 1400 years ago.
However these imaams are greatly talented, knowledgeable & respected. Some of us might not agree with their stance on some social/political issues but we do and should respect them for what they do and the position they are in.

We are not one to judge if they are better then the rest or the rest better then them. Only Allah can and will do this as He knows what is in their hearts.

As for the other thousands of brilliant recitors. You too have your place, sure it might not be in grand harems but your piousness & imaan is what will boost your rankings in the eyes of Allah.

Lastly, Madhabs IMO are for fiqh and uniformity. Shafi madhab does not teach to look down on Hanafi, vice versa. YOu might have a problem with an individual but do not put the blame on the madhab.

Ideally I’d like to see you two battle it out (means more traffic for me) but enough is enough. MyUmmah is still new and my goal is for unity among muslims, not infighting and debates over arb issues which do not benefit the Ummah.

Should you want to debate, how about i create a post and you comment on “Khilafa: We say we want it but do we reallY?”

By: Abdoeragmaan

Abdoeragmaan — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:37:57 +0000

Wait I got one answer for you. Auliya is mentioned numerous times in the Quran. But not always meaning saint. Loosely translated auliya means friend or ally. Auliya shaytan is also mentioned in the quran-the friends of the shaytan. I said that the school of the imam doesn’t recognize sainthood because if you can remember they blew up the masjied & the grave of one of the descendants of rasulullah SWA I think a year back. This descendant was also recognized to be a great wali of Allah.
Kind regards,

By: Abdoeragmaan

Abdoeragmaan — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:23:37 +0000

ok lets do this.List all my statements that you need proof for. I understand that you don’t have any proof, this tells me a lot about what type of person you are. Gamja Malik died many years ago. What I do know about him is that when he recited the quran to completion in one salah it was at greystreet so if you want you can check their archives if they have any.
I think Salih Peck reads better than Salah Al Budair.
Im not going to kill you or anything, if you noticed that is my work email. if you die anyone who reads this will know where to find me.

By: Fam15

Fam15 — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:19:06 +0000

To Abdoeragmaan:

Firstly I don’t know you and i’ll never give you my e-mail.
It seems that you are thinking i’m only arguing that the imams are the best recitors?? not at all.
I don’t have any idea who is Gamja Malik, he is nowhere on the net.
But i have a slight idea of Zaheer Sardat.
And what does Qari Salih Peck got to do with this??
I was telling you to becareful about your statements of Madinah which is one of the Holiest lands on earth and its imams, if in your OPINION there are better recitors than the imams, good for you!
And i see you just stick to answering that which you are capable of answering, go back and see how MANY questions of mine YOU did NOT answer!
IF u are so concerned that this debate is going to create doubt in others, then lets end it there!

By: Abdoeragmaan

Abdoeragmaan — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:42:41 +0000

@Mohammed
The main objective behind staying for witr in the masjied is for togetherness. Where is the sense in splitting up due to a difference in opinion? The late Sheikh Rashad implemented the alternation not imam malick
@fam15
To which statement do you need proof? Oh I guess you didn’t know of Imam Gamja Malick. Did you even know that Zaheer Sardats grandfather was also one of the worlds top Qaris. Qari salih Peck even gets invertation to recite taraweeg in other countries. So maybe you didn’t have the opportunity to stand be behind them. Oh you think there’s nobody better than the Imams of the Haram in recitation. You simply haven’t heard all of them.

By: Abdoeragmaan

Abdoeragmaan — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:58:11 +0000

Fam15 lets do this over email. we could carry on for days & create doubt for others. I can send you my proof if you want. maantjiee@safcorpanalpin.co.za

I still want proof. All statments need proof. its a basic rule from ahlus sunnah wal jama’. that all views have too stem from one of the two law givers.
how does not following Imams of ijtihad have anything to do with the topic. The Imams of the haram are not the best reciters to my opinion.
My proof is your lack of proof.